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Selon le Washington Post qui le tient d'une source anonyme, comme toujours ;) Pardon, des sources officielles anonymes.
U.S. has secretly expanded its global network of drone bases to North Africa
By Adam Entous and Missy Ryan October 26 at 1:09 PM
The Pentagon has secretly expanded its global network of drone bases­ to North Africa, deploying unmanned aircraft and U.S. military personnel to a facility in Tunisia to conduct spy missions in neighboring Libya. The Air Force Reaper drones began flying out of the Tunisian base in late June and have played a key role in an extended U.S. air offensive against an Islamic State stronghold in neighboring Libya.

The Obama administration pressed for access to the Tunisian base as part of a security strategy for the broader Middle East that calls for placing drones and small Special Operations teams at a number of facilities within striking distance of militants who could pose a threat to the West.
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U.S. officials, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss an operation that has not been acknowledged, said the drones being flown out of Tunisia were unarmed and were principally being used to collect intelligence on Islamic State targets in Sirte, Libya, where the United States has conducted more than 300 airstrikes since August.
quand meme...
U.S. officials said they sought access to the air base in Tunisia to close a critical “blind spot” for U.S. and Western intelligence services­ in North Africa, which has become the Islamic State’s largest base of operations outside of Syria and Iraq. The region is also home to al-Qaeda-linked fighters.
Pourtant ils peuvent voler a partir de l'ile de Malte.
En theorie, leur plus grand "blind" spot serait tout le Sud Algérien et la partie frontalière avec la Tunisie. Il semblerait que les renseignements soient partagés.
Obama administration officials say they have tried to shore up Tunisia’s fledgling democracy and position the country as a key counter­terrorism partner in the region. Although the drones operating out of Tunisia conduct only surveillance missions, U.S. officials said they could be armed in the future if Tunisia gives the United States permission. The Tunisian Embassy in Washington declined to comment.
Je parie qu'ils sont armés.
For lethal strikes in Libya, the U.S. military has relied on manned U.S. aircraft based in Europe and armed drones flown out of Naval Air Station Sigonella on the Italian island of Sicily. Sigonella is relatively close to Sirte, but flights from the base are routinely canceled because of cloud cover over the Mediterranean and other weather-related issues, officials said.

U.S. logistical concerns about using Sigonella and other bases­ in Europe for operations in North Africa prompted the Pentagon’s push for a facility on Tunisian soil. The Obama administration has kept its negotiations over access to the base secret for more than a year because of concerns that Tunisia’s young democracy, worried about being closely associated with an outside military power, would pull out of the talks, or that militants would step up attacks in the North African country.

The Islamic State has already claimed a number of attacks in Tunisia over the past two years, including the killing of dozens of foreign tourists at a beach resort in 2015. Defense officials said the Pentagon has deployed about 70 military personnel to Tunisia to oversee drone operations there. Tunisia was the Obama administration’s first choice of countries in North Africa to host U.S. drones because of its proximity to Libya and Washington’s interest in rapidly expanding security ties with the government.
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U.S. military officials in Washington and Stuttgart, Germany, where Africa Command is based, grew increasingly eager to strike a deal with Tunisia this past spring. Opening a drone base there would help clear the way for the long-awaited Sirte operation, they said.
A brazen attack in March on a town near the Libyan border provided proof for some Tunisian officials of why more U.S. help might be required. Under the memorandum of understanding giving the Pentagon access to the base, the Americans committed to helping build up Tunisia’s intelligence-collection capabilities.
hmm...was the Ben Guerdane attack staged to convince the naysayers :scratch: :scratch:
le reste ici:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... story.html
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c'est normal hhhhhh il faut payer les crédits et les garantis des us de nos crédits au sein de banque mondial
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Je n'en doute pas. A chacun la politique qui lui sied.
Je ne juge pas :)
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تنفي وزارة الدفاع الوطني ما تم تداوله في عدد من وسائل الإعلام الأجنبية بخصوص وجود قواعد أمريكية في تونس، وإستعمال التراب التونسي لضرب أهداف بليبيا.
http://www.defense.tn/index.php/ar/comp ... Itemid=640

البيان لم ينفي إستعمال الجيش الأمريكي لقواعد تونسية لأعمال إستطلاعية
​U.S. officials said they could be armed in the future if Tunisia gives the United States permission
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Si ça peut aider les tunisiens dans leur guerre contre DAECH ce sera une plus valu! Quelque chose me dit aussi que ce déploiement éventuel était conclus aussi contre la livraison des hélico ricains?
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Très probable. Et tout le financement que les US ont fourni et continuent de fournir depuis ces 5 dernières années.
The United States has extended $700 million in direct aid to Tunisia over the past four years, extended two rounds of loan guarantees totaling $1 billion since 2012, and in July designated Tunisia a major non-NATO ally, a status that brings the promise of added military cooperation. Mr. Kerry and Mr. Baccouche on Friday signed a declaration of intent for a third $500 million round of loan guarantees, which Mr. Kerry said would probably be made available quickly
source: NY Times 13 Novembre 2015

La désignation de la Tunisie comme allié non-OTAN en Juillet 2015 a été le déclic de cette coopération accélérée. Près de $100M ont été demandé par la Maison-Blanche pour la Tunisie, juste pour 2016. Je crois qu'ils avaient obtenu ~$90M.
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Oui c'est une bonne chose pour eux en effet. Les saoudiens ils ont donnés quoi comme aide? Des légions de Daech donc autant accepter de donner une BA aux USA

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tab...tab, quelles assurances? C'est aux Américains qu'il faut les demander.
C'est du khorti cet article.
Et puis, apparemment, l'Algérie a des batteries S-300 donc, en principe, rien ne peut passer inaperçu.

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tahiadidou a écrit :tab...tab, quelles assurances? C'est aux Américains qu'il faut les demander.
C'est du khorti cet article.
Et puis, apparemment, l'Algérie a des batteries S-300 donc, en principe, rien ne peut passer inaperçu.
Hahaha,je vois mal l'Algerie demander des explications a l'Uncle Sam ou Tata Air Force :D

Ceci dit je pensais que l'Algerie et la Tunisie avaient des accords de défence communs donc la Tunisie aurait dû prendre en considération ce fait,non?
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BCE: je suis celui qui a accepté le lancement des drones des Etats-unis à partir du territoire tunisien


Le président de la république Béji Caïed Essebsi a déclaré aujourd'hui 22 novembre 2016, qu'il a personnellement donné l'autorisation aux Etats-unis de lancer des drones à partir du territoire tunisien.

Ces drones ont un rôle de renseignement et ils sont destinés à effectuer des opérations militaires, a-t-il ajouté.

Le président a aussi annoncé que la Tunisie a demandé à Washington d'effectuer ces opérations de renseignements pour repérer d'éventuels mouvements suspects sur les frontières libyennes et pour soutenir les efforts internationaux de combat contre le terrorisme.

BCE a aussi complètement nié la présence d'une base militaire américaine en Tunisie et que même les américains n'ont pas l'intention de créer des bases militaires dans la zone méditerranéenne.

http://www.radioexpressfm.com/lire/bce- ... isien-9149
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Apres le démenti du MDN Tunisien de qqes semaines? Funny old guy... :lol:
L'article ci-dessous pointe du doigt Sid-Ahmed airport de Bizerte comme le lieu de la "base". L'article du WP montrait également la region de Bizerte.
Drone Bases Updates

November 17, 2016
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By Dan Gettinger
A satellite image from October 7, 2016 appears to show the previously undisclosed location of U.S. surveillance drones in Tunisia: Sidi Ahmed-Bizerte Air Base in the northwest of the country. The image, which was accessed on Google Earth, follows a report from the Washington Post that the United States deployed drones Tunisia in June 2016. According to the Post, which did not reveal the location of the U.S. drone operations, the unarmed drones fly surveillance missions over ISIL strongholds along the Libyan coast. Although the October 7 satellite image does not show any drones, it does show the ground control stations and satellite communications equipment that are required to operate drones, as well as rows of recently added troop shelters. This suggests that the U.S. drone deployment in Tunisia is at Sidi Ahmed.

The deployment consists of a launch-and-recovery element located on the edge of the tarmac and a bivouac set back slightly from the airfield. The launch-and-recovery element has been established on a newly-paved apron adjoining three permanent aircraft hangars. It includes a satellite communications dish and a ground control station. The bivouac includes 21 small shelter systems, a standard 32.5 x 20-foot tent for accommodating troops, and six medium shelter systems, which are typically used as dining halls, store rooms, or kitchen areas. According to the Post, around 70 personnel have been deployed to support the drone mission in Tunisia. The arrangement of the shelters depicted in the satellite image corresponds to photos published on social media that reportedly show U.S. soldiers and equipment at Sidi Ahmed. The images show a row of shelters and several soldiers.
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The Wall Street Journal reported in July 2015 that the U.S. was looking for a drone base in a North African country to supplement the drones that already based at Sigonella, Sicily. Drone flights from Sicily were frequently cancelled due to poor weather over Mediterranean. Sidi Ahmed is about as far from Libya as one can get within Tunisia. It’s approximately the same distance to the Libyan border from Sidi Ahmed as it is from Sigonella. Sidi Ahmed is Tunisia’s largest air base and home to the country’s fleet of 12 F-5 fighter aircraft. There are military and civilian airfields that are closer to the Libyan border, but they would require the U.S. to invest in costly security upgrades in order to house drone operations. Sidi Ahmed Air Base is already a restricted facility, and the base is large enough to accommodate the U.S. troops and aircraft.
source: http://dronecenter.bard.edu/drone-bases-updates/
En fait, en allant sur GE on se rend compte que la base, ou ce campement pour plaire a BCE ;), n'existait pas avant Juin 2015.

Ce n'est pas la base du Niger et ses $100M mais, comme dirait l'autre "y a pas photo" :rbo1:
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tahiadidou a écrit :Apres le démenti du MDN Tunisien de qqes semaines? Funny old guy... :lol:
L'article ci-dessous pointe du doigt Sid-Ahmed airport de Bizerte comme le lieu de la "base". L'article du WP montrait également la region de Bizerte.
Drone Bases Updates

November 17, 2016
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By Dan Gettinger
A satellite image from October 7, 2016 appears to show the previously undisclosed location of U.S. surveillance drones in Tunisia: Sidi Ahmed-Bizerte Air Base in the northwest of the country. The image, which was accessed on Google Earth, follows a report from the Washington Post that the United States deployed drones Tunisia in June 2016. According to the Post, which did not reveal the location of the U.S. drone operations, the unarmed drones fly surveillance missions over ISIL strongholds along the Libyan coast. Although the October 7 satellite image does not show any drones, it does show the ground control stations and satellite communications equipment that are required to operate drones, as well as rows of recently added troop shelters. This suggests that the U.S. drone deployment in Tunisia is at Sidi Ahmed.

The deployment consists of a launch-and-recovery element located on the edge of the tarmac and a bivouac set back slightly from the airfield. The launch-and-recovery element has been established on a newly-paved apron adjoining three permanent aircraft hangars. It includes a satellite communications dish and a ground control station. The bivouac includes 21 small shelter systems, a standard 32.5 x 20-foot tent for accommodating troops, and six medium shelter systems, which are typically used as dining halls, store rooms, or kitchen areas. According to the Post, around 70 personnel have been deployed to support the drone mission in Tunisia. The arrangement of the shelters depicted in the satellite image corresponds to photos published on social media that reportedly show U.S. soldiers and equipment at Sidi Ahmed. The images show a row of shelters and several soldiers.
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The Wall Street Journal reported in July 2015 that the U.S. was looking for a drone base in a North African country to supplement the drones that already based at Sigonella, Sicily. Drone flights from Sicily were frequently cancelled due to poor weather over Mediterranean. Sidi Ahmed is about as far from Libya as one can get within Tunisia. It’s approximately the same distance to the Libyan border from Sidi Ahmed as it is from Sigonella. Sidi Ahmed is Tunisia’s largest air base and home to the country’s fleet of 12 F-5 fighter aircraft. There are military and civilian airfields that are closer to the Libyan border, but they would require the U.S. to invest in costly security upgrades in order to house drone operations. Sidi Ahmed Air Base is already a restricted facility, and the base is large enough to accommodate the U.S. troops and aircraft.
source: http://dronecenter.bard.edu/drone-bases-updates/
En fait, en allant sur GE on se rend compte que la base, ou ce campement pour plaire a BCE ;), n'existait pas avant Juin 2015.

Ce n'est pas la base du Niger et ses $100M mais, comme dirait l'autre "y a pas photo" :rbo1:


Le MDN a démentie l’existence d'une base américaine et que les us ont frappé des cibles en lybie a partir de la tunisie , le mdn n'a pas commenté sur l'utilisation d'une base tunisienne pour des missions de reconnaissance .
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Il y a quoi comme chasseurs sur cette base? ET le C-130 en haut est il réformé?
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Apparemment des F5.

Je te l'accorde Edward007, le jeu de mots est en effet tres important. Selon tunisia-live.net la reaction du MDN Tunisien a l'article du Washington Post était:
“The Ministry of National Defense denies the reports circulating in foreign media outlets concerning the existence of US bases in Tunisia or the use of the Tunisian soil to target military spots in Libya.”

Meme si Oueslati aurait affirme dans le temps
As part of Tunisian-US bilateral co-operation, we have acquired drones to train our military personnel to use this technology and to control out southeastern border with Libya and detect any suspicious movement" there, a defence ministry spokesperson said.
But "Tunisian soil has never been and never will be used to strike targets in Libya. The drones are used by Tunisians and no one else," Belhassen Oueslati said.
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